Friday, March 25, 2011

Some Biblical Reflections Upon Being Gay and Christian

I first want to welcome those who have come to this blog via the ongoing debate on the Olivet Nazarene Univserity's Glimmer Glass online newspaper page, where we have been responding to the recent articles (click HERE) that have sparked controversy concerning the place of gay students on our campus.  For those unaware of this now somewhat lengthy debate, you can access it by means of the link I've provided; however, I have written this post so as to be accessible (though lengthy) to all, regardless of your familiarity with that debate.  I invite responses from any and all who visit this post.

My purpose here, as the title suggests, is to lay out some biblical reflections on what most of us would refer to as 'homosexuality', although I am aware that even this term carries some offense when wielded inappropriately.  I hope my readers will believe me when I say I do not mean for it to cause any offense; this is why I did not use it in the title of this blog.  Furthermore, I would encourage those who choose to respond to this blog (in the comments section below) to keep the conversation accessible, as I have tried to do here.  Although there ought to be well thought out and articulated comments, let's do our best to not engage in the 'big word wars', precisely because those who are not familiar with all the technical language need nevertheless to be encouraged to join in the discussion.

I believe that the current, popular level debate within Christian circles in America concerning homosexuality has been encumbered by several misconceptions (1) concerning what the biblical witness is to this issue, and (2) concerning the Christian doctrine of sin.  I want to here address these issues in turn.

The Biblical Witness


First of all, let me say that I engage in this debate with fellow Christians--both gay and 'straight'--who believe that, at least in some way, the Bible still has a central place in the faith of the person who--and Church that--claims that Jesus is their Lord and Savior.  There are, however, many who would call themselves 'Christians' who have essentially given up on the Bible.  A recent commenter in the Glimmer Glass debate, whom I'm assuming is a Christian, wrote: "People, please, please, please, stop quoting bible verses as if it were a text that speaks divine magic. Please stop limiting God to an ancient book that was written by violent desert dwellers just as flawed as we are, with mortal agendas, not to mention, canonized by even more flawed humans. For the sake of pete’s goodness, the bible advocates slavery, murder, inequity of women, and condemnation of homosexuals. Not to mention, has been used to start countless wars. How can you bible quoting fiends ignore these inconsistencies and still claim that the bible is absent of flaws, and endorses love. . . . God works through the hearts of individuals, not through an ancient book."  While I hear my friend's plea here, and would agree with some of his sentiments--for instance that the Bible is not "divine magic" and that its words have been and still often are used to support atrocities--I have to say that I disagree with his basic conclusion: My very life is a testimony to the fact that God does, in fact, somehow, mysteriously, transformatively  work through these ancient books.  To say that he does not is simply to contradict the experience of millions of Jews and Christians throughout the millennia.  It is to the community of faith that still believes that we must be faithful to the scriptural witness (not in a fundamentalist sort of way, but faithful nonetheless) that I direct my reflections here.  If you are not of that number, then I am not sure that we even have enough common footing to engage in this particular debate--a fact for which I am very sorry.


The Bible does not have much to say explicitly about what we would today call 'homosexuality'.  This certainly does not mean that it has nothing to say, nor that we can leave it at that and call it a day.  Unfortunately, however, the Bible has often been hijacked by fundamentalists and other half-wits who simply shout out 1 Cor 6:9 to their gay neighbors and think that this settles the debate.  Let me clear: I abhor this approach and condemn it as essentially anti-Christian.  My gay Christian friends are right in saying that Jesus (and for that matter, Paul!) would not have approached the matter this way, and I will not do so here.  Besides 1 Cor 6:9 there really are only a few other biblical texts that explicitly address the issue: I am thinking of 1 Tim 1:10, Rom 1:26-27 (which is the only text that I am aware of that references what we call 'lesbianism'), and Leviticus 18:22/20:13.  I will deal with each text in turn, beginning with the last two, which need to be considered in tandem.


Leviticus 18:22 "You shall not lie (Heb. shacab; LXX: koimao koites) with a male (Heb. zacar; LXX: arsenos) as with a woman (Heb. 'eesha; LXX: gynaikos); it is an abomination." (NRSV)  Leviticus 20:13 "If a man lies with a male as with a woman (LXX: arsenos koites gynaikos), both of them have committed an abomination; they shall be put to death; their blood is upon them. (NRSV)  (The scholar will recognize that I have listed the infinitive form of the Hebrew and Greek verb in 18:22, and the nominative singular form of the Greek nouns in parentheses.)


There are many Christians who seem to start with the assumption that appeals made to Old Testament texts have no validity within a Christian argument.  Let me say that if by "Christ" we intend to refer to Jesus of Nazareth, the 1st century Galilean Jew, and if we are in some way trying to identify his (or Paul's) opinion on the matter at hand (not just simply "what the Bible says"), then we are compelled to look at the Old Testament.  Why?  Because these are the scriptures that formed and shaped Jesus and Paul; for them there was no "New Testament."  When they made theological appeals, they made them on the basis of what we call "Old Testament" texts.  The Protestant Christian world has put up a large wall between "Old" and "New" Testaments--between "Law/Torah" and "Gospel/Grace"--that would have been foreign to any 1st century Jew, including Jesus and even Paul.  (For more, read E.P. Sanders's Jesus and Judaism and Paul and Palestinian Judaism)  If we are to speak on not just what "the Bible says" but on what Jesus and Paul said and why they said it, then we must pay attention to these texts from Leviticus, which come from the very heart of the Hebrew Scriptures--the Torah.


Now both Jesus and Paul had quite a lot to say about the Torah, and we cannot go into it all here.  Both of their attitudes (unlike modern Protestants') were quite positive toward Torah.  Jesus at least once said "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Torah or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them." (Matt 5:17)  Paul, despite what we Protestants think of him, regularly noted that the Torah was "good" and "holy." (e.g. Rom 7:12; 7:16; 1 Tim 1:8)  Both Paul and Jesus radically critiqued points of the Torah, to be sure, as did most intelligent 1st century Jews, especially of the sect known as the Pharisees (this was more common than most Christians today realize), but we can be confident that at the end of the day neither Jesus, nor Paul, nor any of the Pharisees they would have debated with advocated--as many Protestants do today--a wholesale rejection of the Torah.  (To be fair, even most Protestants want to hold that the 10 Commandments are  still valid commands for the Christian era, despite the fact that these are found in the Torah.)  The question of the relationship between the Torah in the pre-Christian era and the Torah in the Christian era is one that could take us far afield of the current debate, however, so I must move on.


I want to argue, then, that it is historically very probable that both Paul and Jesus would have been in harmony with the basic sentiments of the Torah, especially when it spoke on ethical concerns (over against, for instance, dietary or cultic [i.e. 'religious'] concerns).  It is especially the ethical dimension of the Torah that both Jesus and Paul want to hold onto: Hence why each can basically summarize the Law as "Love thy neighbor." (Lev 19:18;  Matt. 22:39; Mark 12:31; Luke 10:27-28; Rom 13:9; Gal 5:14; cf. James 2:8 where this injunction is called "the royal Law")  Now you can be sure that by "love thy neighbor" Jesus and Paul--as 1st century Jews--would not have meant what we 21st century, American pluralists often mean by it: That is, "Love thy neighbor" for Jesus and Paul would not have meant "Accept everything that your neighbor does that doesn't physically or emotionally harm another individual."  (Notice, for instance, that this command "Love they neighbor" in the Torah comes in the chapter immediately before ch.20, where various sexual sins [including the one we are presently considering] are condemned as being worthy of execution!]  Once again, however, we will go too far afield if we further discuss the issue of defining "love" in its 1st century Jewish context.


Now I know that especially the Lev 20:13 text causes us to object immediately.  Am I saying that I think Jesus and Paul would have supported the execution of men who lied with other men as if with women?  No, I am not; let me tell you why.  We are here speaking of the sexual ethics of the Torah, so I think that the passage from John 8:1-11 is instructive (regardless of whether or not it was original to the first edition of John's Gospel).  Here we see Jesus presented with a woman "caught in the act of adultery" (v.3)--a sexual sin that the Torah had said was punishable by execution. (Lev. 20:10; cf. Deut. 22:22, both passages require the execution of both the woman and her male partner--a fact those presenting the woman to Jesus seem to have failed to take account of.)  In fact this requirement is found in exactly the same part of Leviticus (three verses earlier) as the passage presently under consideration.  But what does Jesus do with the woman?  We all know the story.  He condemns, not her, but her accusers implicitly by uttering those powerful words, "He who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her."  Then what happens?  He looks right at her and utters even more powerful words: "'Woman, where are they?  Has no one condemned you?'  She said, 'No one, sir.'  And Jesus said, 'Neither do I condemn you.  Go your way and from now on do not sin again.'" (vv.10-11)  That's Jesus!  The one who could take a sinner condemned to death and turn her accusers away, restore her, and empower her with his own lack of condemnation.  Whether this is a text original to John's Gospel or not, I want to claim that it is faithful to the portrait of Jesus we see throughout the Gospels.  But notice what happens here:  Jesus both fails to follow through with the execution prescribed by the Torah (and, by the way, whether such practices frequently occurred or not in ancient Judaism does not change the fact that the Torah prescribes them), and he also makes it very clear that the adulterous sexual relationship she was involved in was sinful. Jesus turns her accusers away, not because she is not sinful but because they all are sinful (perhaps precisely because of their misogynistic interpretation of the Torah that caused them to neglect to also bring forth the male adulterer?).  He sends her on her way not because she is innocent but in order that she might "not sin again."  This is a microcosm of some of the Christian reinterpretations of Torah: Jesus both says "this is sin" and also says "the strict Torah requirement of execution is unnecessary."


All of this leads me to this conclusion: Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 clearly express that "men lying with men as with a woman" are in violation of God's Torah--that is, they have sinned.  Jesus and (as I will presently show) Paul both accepted this basic sentiment, though at least Jesus felt that the requirement for execution could be replaced by forgiveness through himself.


These passages are not unimportant to the present debate between Christians concerning homosexuality in the Christian community.  If both Jesus and Paul would have read, been shaped by, and accepted the Torah's sentiments on this issue, then--if the word "Christian" is going to retain any meaning whatsoever--we modern Christians ought to follow their example.


One other note on this passage, though.  I notice that Leviticus does not say, It is detestable for a man to be sexually attracted to a man as if he were a woman.  It says, however, that the specific action of lying with a man as if with a woman is detestable.  I do not think that we can use this text to justify an argument that says that it is overtly sinful for men and women to be sexually attracted to the same sex.  There is, in other words, a biblical precedent for distinguishing between "the sin" and "the sinner"--no matter how often that distinction has been abused.  (And as a sinner, I thank God for the distinction!)


1 Cor 6:9-11 "Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God?  Do not be deceived: Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate (malakos), nor homosexuals (arsenokoites), nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.  Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God." (NASB: I have chosen this translation because it retains two separate words in v.9 and does not use the archaic and misleading term "sodomites" as the NRSV does, not because I am completely satisfied with the translation.  In fact, I have yet to find any translation of this passage that completely satisfies me. Once again the scholar will here recognize that I have provided the nominative singular form of each of the nouns under consideration.)


The two key words in this passage--malakoi and arsenokoites--are notoriously controversial in modern biblical scholarship, and I've noticed these scholarly debates over Greek semantics have even spilled over into the popular level discussions, which surprises me to some degree and illustrates just how passionate people are about this topic--that people who never cared for Koine Greek before would become entrenched in arguments about it!  The weight of the controversy often falls on the second of these terms, arsenokoites, as the first is much more widely attested in Greek literature than the second and has a more established semantic range (that is, range of possible meanings).  I have nothing unique to offer to this debate, but I will obviously state my position.  I would refer the reader, however, to a few sources where she/he can encounter the debate full on: (1) As I mentioned in my Glimmer Glass critique, Richard Hays's book The Moral Vision of the New Testament, specifically the chapter entitled "Homosexuality," is the best resource that I am aware of which presents a compelling Christian, and throughly scholarly (he is Dean of Duke University's Divinity School), appraisal of this and other biblical passages concerning homosexuality.  He began co-writing the chapter with a gay friend of his before the friend died of AIDS prior to its publication.  It is a powerful, humble, and honest appraisal of the situation by both a homosexual Christian man and a heterosexual Christian man.  (2) Dale Martin is the head of Yale University's New Testament program and is an openly gay man.  His article entitled "Arsenokoites and Malakos: Meanings and Consequences," which appeared in an edited volume entitled Biblical Ethics and Homosexuality (Westminster: John Knox, 1996), is the best articulation of which I am aware for the argument that the New Testament is silent on the issue of modern homosexuality.  While I ultimately find his arguments unconvincing, they are a helpful and welcome voice in the debate.  (3) A critique of Martin's article that I have also found helpful was written by Gary R. Jepsen.  It is entitled "Dale Martin's 'Arsenokoites and Malakos' Tried and Found Wanting," and was published in Vol. 33.5 of the periodical Currents in Theology and Mission.  If you are associated with ONU, any of these resources can be apprehended through our library and inter-library loan system.


Since this discussion is already becoming quite lengthy (how could it not?), I will attempt to summarize my position on this text briefly, recognizing that I am a student and not an expert of the nuances of the debate which rages over this text.  First, I believe that the meaning of the word malakos is ambiguous, and if it had not been followed immediately after by the word arsenokoites we would be hard pressed to understand to what Paul is referring here.  Malakos had a wide semantic range in the ancient Greek language, which included the ideas of being "soft"--either literally (for instance of a fabric) or metaphorically (for instance of a effeminate or "wimpy" man).  I am inclined to believe, based on its context in 1 Cor 6:9-11, that Paul meant here to refer to men who accept sexual favors from other men, but I am not dogmatic about that interpretation.

Second, the word arsenokoites is a much more interesting and unique word.  You need to know before we proceed that the ancient Koine Greek language did not have a technical word for "homosexual" like we do today, even though what we would call "homosexuality"--even amongst consenting adults--was probably as common in Paul's time as it is in ours.  
Richard Hays notes that the word arsenokoites "is not found in any extant Greek text earlier than 1 Corinthians."  (Moral Vision, 382)  That is, we have no knowledge of this word's usage prior to Paul's words here in 1 Cor 6:9.  Could it be that Paul invented the word?  Both Richard Hays and the professor currently presiding over my thesis--a man who did his dissertation under Charles Talbert at Baylor University precisely on the sexual ethics of Paul--think that it is quite possible.  (I have not mentioned my professor's name because I do not wish to drag him into all of this without his knowledge.)  Since we have much extant ancient Greek literature, I am inclined to agree.  If Paul made this word up, though, how can we know what it means?


It is time to recall the Levitical passages we just looked at.  I provided the Septuagint translations of certain words precisely for this point. (The Septuagint--abbreviated LXX--was the standard Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible/"Old Testament" during the time of Jesus and Paul, and is the version of the Bible that Paul most often quotes.)  In the LXX version of Lev 20:13, the phrase "lie with a male as with a woman" is the translation of these Greek words: koimethe meta arsenos koiten gynaikos.  The first word is a verb meaning to go to the marriage-bed with, or, euphemistically, to have sexual relations with.  The second word is a preposition meaning "with."  The third is a noun meaning "a man/male."  The fourth word is a noun related to the verb, meaning "marriage-bed," but euphemistically meaning sexual relations.  The fifth word is a noun meaning "a woman."  The two Greek words that are translated "a man (having) a marriage-bed/sexual relations" are arsenos koiten, which--I am convinced--is the place from which the word we have here in Paul (whether he or some other Jew reading the LXX invented it) has originated.  The New Testament Greek word arsenokoites seems clearly to be a compound word, invented by a Jew who read the Greek Septuagint (whether Paul or someone else) that was used, in lieu of the absence for a specific Greek term, to describe those who "lie with a man as if with a woman"--or as we would say in modern language, a homosexual or gay man.


This is obviously a point that Dale Martin disagrees with, and I would reference you to his article to hear his argument.  I would also reference you to the critique of Martin's article that I cited to see a clear argument on where Martin's logic breaks down.


In light of the semantic discussion, what can we say about the meaning of this passage in Paul as a whole?  There are several things that must be pointed out briefly: First, "inherit the kingdom of God" is not a one-to-one correlation with what many Evangelical Christians call "going to heaven when you die."  For the sake of space I will not go into all the implications of our misinformed view of the so-called 'afterlife', but it must be stated that when Christians assert that "Gays won't go to heaven when they die" they are not getting this view from Paul here--at least not in those confused of terms.  Second, Paul composes "vice lists" like this frequently in his epistles (Romans 1:29–31; 13:13; 1 Corinthians 5:10–11; 6:9–10; 12:20–21; Galatians 5:19–21; Ephesians 4:31; 5:3–5; Colossians 3:5, 8; 1 Timothy 1:9–10; 2 Timothy 3:2–5) and we Christians trying to be faithful to the whole of Scripture need to remember that much less (in our time) controversial sins like "quarreling and jealousy" (Rom 13:13), "greed" (1 Cor 5:10), "anger, selfishness, slander, gossip, conceit, and disorder" (2 Cor 12:20) are to be found in these "vice lists" as well.  Christians who disproportionately place an emphasis on the two times that Paul mentions homosexuality over against the other sins in these vice lists need to take heed that they do not sin themselves in "anger, gossip, slander," etc.  That said, Paul does place a particular emphasis on sexual sins at least in 1 Cor 5-6. (cf. esp. 6: 18-20)  Third and finally, Paul makes explicit in this passage--which is why I quoted more than just v.9--that all the vices listed in these verses are exactly what the Corinthian believers were freed from: "  Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God." (emphasis mine)  Paul's point is that they, as a result of Jesus and the Spirit, are no longer to be described in the ways listed in the "vice list."  They were changed.  Why would we expect anything less for ourselves as those also washed, sanctified, and justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit?  I doubt this was an easy change for any malakos or arsenokoites Paul may have been thinking of there in the Corinthian church, but there was a change that Paul could celebrate nonetheless.


1 Timothy 1:9-10 basically reiterates the point we have just made about 1 Cor 6:9-10 because it, too, is a Pauline "vice list" that includes the term arsenokoites (the only other occurrence in the New Testament, and certainly a later one than 1 Corinthians).  There is, therefore, no need to do a full exegesis of this passage here. (If you're even still with me, I appreciate it greatly!)


Romans 1:26-27: "For this reason God gave them up to degrading passions.  Their women exchanged natural intercourse for unnatural, and in the same way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were consumed with passion for one another.  Men committed shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error."


Richard Hays says that Roman 1:18-32 (the broader context) is "the most crucial text for Christian ethics concerning homosexuality . . . because this is the only passage in the New Testament that explains the condemnation of homosexual behavior in an explicitly theological context." (Moral Vision, 383)  It is also, as I noted earlier, the only passage in the Bible that deals directly with what we would call "lesbian" sexual relations.  The thrust of this opening chapter of Paul's magnum opus is, however, much different from what many Christians today suppose that it is.  We must understand the broad thrust of this passage in order to understand his specific statements here in vv.26-27.


Romans 1 is not about a list of specific sins and how God punishes them.  It is Paul's comprehensive theological assessment of the entirety of humanity as basically fallen, rebellious, and idolatrous.  All of us, says Paul, "worship the creation instead of the Creator." (v.25)  All of us, says Paul, are, in our wickedness and godlessness, "without excuse." (v. 20)  All of us, says Paul, are idolatrous fools! (vv.22-23)  And all of us are under "the wrath of God." (v.18)  The scope is universal.  No one is exempt--neither Jew nor Greek, neither heterosexual nor homosexual.  We are, all of us, fallen creatures in a basic stance of rebellion against our Creator.


It is only after making this universal point that Paul then goes on to say, "Therefore God gave them [all of us] up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the degrading of their bodies among themselves . . . to degrading passions [like unnatural sexual relations, as mentioned in vv.26-27] . . . and to a debased mind and to things that should not be done.  They [all of us] were filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, covetousness, malice.  Full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, craftiness, they [all of us!] are gossips, slanderes, God-haters, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, rebellious toward parents [!!!], foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless.  They [all of us!] know God's decree, that those who practice such things deserve to die--yet they not only do them but even applaud others who practice them." (vv. 24-32)


This is not Paul saying, These are the kinds of sins that will get you punished by the wrath of God.  No, the point Paul is making is much more dramatic, much more universal, much more startling to us today than that.  The point is not that we sin and then God's wrath comes on us for it; the point is that God's wrath has been poured out on essentially rebellious and idolatrous humanity and because of this we sin in all these various ways!  In short, as Ernst Kasemann, a prominent mid-2oth century New Testament scholar put it, "Paul paradoxically reverses the cause and consequence: moral perversion is the result of God's wrath, not the reason for it." (qtd. in Moral Vision, 385)  God's wrath is viewed precisely as God's "giving us up" (vv. 24, 26, & 28) to our own sinful desires.  God's wrath = letting rebellious humanity go its own way.  THE RESULT is all the sinfulness he characterizes here, including homosexuality.


Is Paul here calling God the author of sin, then?  Of course not. (cf. Rom 5-6)  He is simply, as Richard Hays has put it, "cast[ing] forth a blanket condemnation of humankind." (Moral Vision, 385)  As Paul will say elsewhere, "all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God." (Rom 3:23)  Paul really believes that statement, as chapter 1 of Romans indicates.


So how does this passage come to bear on the current issue, then--especially in light of the fact that this reading may be unfamiliar to many Christians?  I think that this passage provides a good segue into the (I promise briefer) discussion of the Christian doctrine of sin.


The Christian Doctrine of Sin


Quite often I am frustrated to hear my conservative Christian brothers and sisters making the following argument in the debate over the place of homosexuality in the life of the Christian: They say, "Sin is a choice, and homosexuality is sin; therefore, you simply need to stop choosing to behave homosexually!"  


To this wrongheaded notion of sin the gay man or lesbian woman is going to inevitably respond: "You simply do not understand what you are talking about.  I didn't choose to be gay.  I am gay.  God does not condemn people for who they are!"


It is clear that both of these arguments are misinformed about the nature of the Christian doctrine of sin.  Let me bring back in Paul's Epistle to the Romans to help illuminate the issue.  Paul clearly states, as we saw, that "all have sinned (this is an aorist verb, scholars) and fall short of the glory of God."  He also clearly argues in Romans 1 that there is a blanket of condemnation over all mankind: God's wrath is poured out on us all, precisely because we are all essentially and fundamentally rebellious and idolatrous fallen creatures.  There is surely a sense, then, in which sin pertains to--as the popular definition goes--"willful transgressions of a known law of God," but there is also a sense in which--over and beyond these individual "willful transgressions"--wickedness and godlessness and sinfulness abounds in the entire creation, permeating every aspect of our being as individuals, as societies, and as the human creation as a whole.


Sin is much bigger than the conservative Christians believe it to be, and the wrath of God--his condemnation for our godlessness and wickedness--is much more comprehensive than the gay Christian community seems to often presented it as.  To my fellow conservative Christians I want to say, Sin is at work in this world in a much more comprehensive manner than simply individual behaviors.  Take, for instance, the girl who is raped at 5 years old and prostituted by her parents for the next 8-10 years before she leaves her home and lives a life of rampant promiscuity.  (My wife has counseled girls like this.)  I have gotta tell you conservative Christians that that girl does not just wake up each morning and decide to be sexually promiscuous each day.  It is simply a part of who she is, precisely because she has never known any differently.  Does that make the sexual promiscuity admirable or praiseworthy?  Of course not!  It's still sin, but it is far more than the sum of her behavioral choices.  Sin has been at work on her life as much as it is now at work through her life.  That is to conclude that sinfulness, wickedness, godlessness (call it whatever!) is much bigger than the sum of individual choices.


To my gay Christian friends, however, I also have a corrective to offer.  Saying that God does not condemn anyone for who they are is not, in fact, faithful to the scriptures either.  Romans 1 is just one text, but it is a clear articulation of a theme that runs throughout the Jewish and Christian scriptures--that theme is that everyone is under the wrath and condemnation of God, precisely because "all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God." 


The power of the Christian Gospel is usurped when we deny this fact, because the power of the Christian Gospel is precisely that Jesus of Nazareth, the Messiah/Christ, has now made a way for us to escape the condemnation and wrath of God (or, more truly, to stand "justified" under it) by means of his own death and resurrection and our appropriation by faith of his death and resurrection.  


The Christian doctrine of sin, then, is much broader than the conservative Christian community often recognizes, and the Christian articulation of the condemnation brought upon us all by our essential sinfulness is much broader than the gay Christian community often recognizes.


I want to propose a way forward that I think remains faithful to the biblical witness concerning sin and condemnation, but perhaps uses some concepts and language that are more readily helpful to our modern situation.


Often the conservative Christian community has compared the sin of homosexual relations to the sins of murder, theft, adultery, and the like.  While I understand that there are some parallels--namely the argument that all sin is unacceptable to God--there are some hindrances to these comparisons that the gay Christian community rightly points out.  Most importantly, it seems to me, is the fact that gay Christians often object saying, "I do not choose to be gay in the same way someone chooses to murder someone else, or steal something, or even to commit adultery with another person's spouse."  And by the way, I believe my gay Christian friends when they say something like this to me.  


I do not think that gay and lesbian persons choose to be gay and lesbian in the same way that I choose to drink Pepsi today for lunch instead of Coca Cola.  They do not choose to be attracted to the same sex in the same way a child chooses to steal a candy bar from the grocery store.  These comparisons are naive at best and destructive at worst.


What I am getting at here is that I do not believe being gay is a simple behavior that one consciously chooses to engage in at any given moment over against heterosexual behavior . . . anymore than I believe that, for instance, my being a consumeristic, materialistic, gluttonous, environmentally wasteful American are behaviors that I consciously choose to engage in at any given moment.

These comparisons are helpful to me, and let me tell you why.  Many American Christians--myself included--do not realize on a moment by moment basis just how consumeristic, materialistic, gluttonous, and environmentally wasteful people we truly are.  But there can be no argument that we are all these things and more.  When someone calls us out on these things, we often respond quite similarly to the gay Christian, saying, "This is just a part of who I am."  Or rather, we sometimes say, "That's just the way the world and/or this society is."  Does that make all these characteristics of ourselves or our society good, godly, admirable, or praiseworthy?  Of course not!

We are a wicked, self-centered, greedy, fattened society that regularly engages in all kinds of materialistic, consumeristic, gluttonous, and environmentally wasteful behaviors--and this is all a part of what is broadly called "sin/godlessness/wickedness/unrighteousness."  Sometimes we have a moment of insight where we realize that these things are far from the intentions of our Creator for ourselves and for the world, but it is almost impossible to retain this insight in the front of our minds at all times precisely because these types of sins are so prevalent in the society within which we live.

It is my contention--and I truly pray it will be received as a humble and yet hopefully illuminating suggestion, not as dogma--that this is how homosexuality operates as "sin" in our American culture.


I truly do believe my gay Christian friends when they say, "I'm not choosing to be gay.  I am gay."  And I hope they'll hear me when I say that "I am not choosing to be consistently a consumerist, a materialist, a glutton, or an environmentally wasteful person (all things I am guilty of being, mind you!).  I simply am this way."  I think that in both of our cases, we are this way precisely because of the comprehensive nature of sin/wickedness/evil/godlessness/unrighteousness in our world, not because God made us this way or intends for us to stay this way.


That makes all of these sins something to be recognized as more difficult to reject than, say, simple petty theft; but it also recognizes that at the heart of all of these unconscious identities and behaviors is still sin.  


God didn't intend for me to be a consumerist, a materialist, a glutton, and an environmentally wasteful person, but I am this way because of where and with whom I live--namely, in a fallen world with fallen people.  This doesn't make my sin acceptable to God; therefore, I have to cast my full reliance upon him in ways that stretch me beyond my own limits.  I do not think that because I am a consumerist, a materialist, a glutton, and an environmentally wasteful person that God cannot wait to deny my entrance into his heaven.  Nor do I believe that God wishes to do so for the gay person who clings to Christ as Lord and Savior.  He alone must be our central identity and the Spirit through which our identities and behaviors are molded (i.e. "are sanctified").

I do think, however, that God expects us all to repent (lit. to "turn away") from sin insofar as he enables us to do this--whether that sin is an overt, one-time action like looking at pornography, or a more central part of our identity as fallen creatures, like being a materialist, or a consumerist, or a homosexual.  The Good News ("Gospel") is precisely that, in Jesus and the Holy Spirit, God has himself (wow!) provided the way to repent, to turn away from our own rebelliousness and to embrace his identity and intention for us.  We are all of us called to receive this good news--homosexual and heterosexual sinners alike--and I pray that you will accept it, whomever you are reading this.

29 comments:

  1. Ian,

    Thank you for this good, thorough, and gracious article. At the end of the day I disagree with your theological position, but not your exegesis. Thus, i can respect where you come down theologically, based on your exegesis.

    I do, however, find it interesting that you kept referring to "all of us" in the Romans 1 passage. Are you of the opinion that Paul has in mind both Jew and Gentile in Romans 1:18-32? The typical reading is that Paul has gentiles in mind, and Douglas Campbell and Francis Watson have both argued that Paul is using the Wisdom of Solomon to make just such a case about Gentile sin (well, Campbell's position is much more intense than that, but it's the basic idea).

    Would you argue that Paul has both Jew and Gentile in mind? I think Kevin Bywater (PhD student at Durham) wants to argue as much, and I think he's onto something. Just something I noticed and was curious about.

    - Ben

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  2. Ian,

    I appreciate the extent of your thought on this topic. Here are some questions of my own.

    "All of this leads me to this conclusion: Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 clearly express that "men lying with men as with a woman" are in violation of God's Torah--that is, they have sinned. Jesus and (as I will presently show) Paul both accepted this basic sentiment, though at least Jesus felt that the requirement for execution could be replaced by forgiveness through himself."

    Leviticus is a book that contains the cultic practices for the nation of Israel, more specifically to the tribe of Levi, correct? That was my understanding at least. While I do agree they have a place in a Christian conversation I do believe we have to recognize that if we are to allow Scripture to speak for itself then we must recognize the fact this text is to a certain culture in a certain time and place. The texts are most certainly a beginning point but I personally am unwilling to place this sexual ethic as a universal throughout time and place.

    Basically, I see that as lifting up culture over the demands of Christ to love another as we love ourselves. This transportation of a certain culture's opinions and thoughts across time and space to our present day is oppressive since we do not live in that day and time and, speaking for myself, am not from the tribe of Levi. Jesus and Paul might agree also with the stance of Leviticus, but it must also be taken into account that they are both fully human(to be clear I believe one is also fully God, I'll let you guess which one though)and are a product of that culture. Sometimes I feel that is forgotten when this discussion is brought up. That culture does not make them wrong or right, good or bad, but it does show the influence of that culture upon them as you have ably shown. I have no problem with your exegesis but hopefully that reveals some of my theological lens. I agree with Bonhoeffer, the point of Christian ethics is not to determine what is right or wrong but to bring about the new man in Christ. To do otherwise is to set man up as God in the aspects of judgment.

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  3. Furthermore, could you expound some of your thoughts on the idea of Christian marriage and its relation to Christ and the Church? Since that is the way Christians define marriage, and this text is explicitly male and female language, what do you think of it?

    For the ethics of conversation, my own personal position, in listening to both to Scripture and research on human sexuality says that terms as "man" and "woman" are vague and unhelpful because they are both so nuanced and dynamic. I am very sure that the understanding of gender has changed since the first century A.D./C.E. I am not trying to say my thoughts and opinions are superior to yours, I am just presenting them so that you know what they are and would be most able to respond.

    Personally, because of some of the lens I outlined above, I see homosexuality as a subject that is very gray area which must be decided upon by the (C/c)hurch as to what its interpretation will be. This is why I too do not appreciate having the bible quoted loudly and angrily and then discussion to be cut off. If my time at Olivet has taught me anything it is that a "big-tent" attitude is a stable of the CotN, which is something I appreciate. Looking forward to your thoughts.

    P.S.-If at all possible, I would edit some of the comments about your professor and thesis adviser. Any person with an internet connection can determine who he is through Olivet's website. To protect his anonymity, I think that might be wise. Just a friendly suggestion.

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  4. This is my last post, I promise. I posted in segments because I did not know if there was a word limit or not and did not want to lose anything I wrote.

    First, my heart goes out to your wife and the clients she sees on a daily basis. I will be praying for her as she works and the children involved as it is such an awful situation they find themselves in.

    Second, I responded to your post on GG.

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  5. btw, Ian. You would get eaten alive at PLNU with all of this gender exclusive language!

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  6. I've been seeing on Facebook some of the discussion at ONU about homosexuality. I'm still processing my own thoughts on these scriptural passages, and I found your blog post to be helpful. For someone like me who has never studied Greek (or Hebrew), I appreciated your discussion. I also appreciated your synthesis and conclusion; as I said, I'm not sure right now where I'm landing on the same passages, but I applaud your scholarship here.

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  7. Ian, I truly appreciate your work and the clarity of it. I am still sorting through much of the details of this topic, but I feel like I'm one step further along the pathway of discovery. Again, thank you.

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  8. Wooooooooooooow. That was thorough. Nice insight, Ian. Thanks so much for your scholarly thought and prayer into this issue.
    As to the "Alumni" above, I think the issue for this contributor is whether scripture is inspired by God or not; if it is, we must take it seriously. If not, culture wins.

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  9. First of all, I want to thank those of you who have contributed your comments to my recent blog--"Some Biblical Reflections on Being Gay and Christian." Twice now my browser has erased my attempts at responding to y'all before I was able to post, so I am now attempting for the third time to respond, in order, to those who have commented on my blog. Forgive me delay--it was just too depressing to hit the "enter" button and see my comments erased.

    First, to Ben: Thank you for your constant critique and encouragement throughout this discussion we've been having for a couple of weeks now. I really appreciate the level of dialog we are able to have (something sometimes lacking amongst the ONU students I am daily with), and look forward to future debates and dialogs as we both enter into biblical scholarship within the Church of the Nazarene.

    I want to respond to your question about Romans 1. Briefly, yes, I think Paul has all of humanity in view in vv.18-32. I think this is demonstrated by the first verse of chapter 2. In case anyone (perhaps Jewish Christians or Torah observant Gentiles in the Roman church who would have responded to 1:18-32 by saying, "I'm glad I'M no idolater like the people Paul is describing here!") thought they were exempt from the description of 1:18-32, Paul writes: "You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things." The vagueness of the Greek here I think indicates that Paul intends to catch with 2:1 ANYONE who thought they were exempt from the description of 1:18-32 (I think he primarily intends to target Jewish Christians in the Roman church to whom he is writing). My thesis research area is the historical Jesus, though--particularly "restoration-eschatology" in the ministry of Jesus--so I am no Paul scholar. I would be interested to hear other opinions on the matter.

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  10. Next, to "An Olivet Alum": First of all, thank you for your thoughtful reflections and the depth in which you've expressed them. I am not sure where your thoughts on Leviticus have come from, but I can tell you for sure that any 1st-century Jew would have read the entirety of the Torah--Genesis through Deuteronomy--as directed at the whole nation of Israel, not just one tribe. The Book of Leviticus does contain several cultic mandates for the Levites only, but the sexual ethics of Lev. 20 would not be a part of this. The sexual ethics of Lev. 20 would have, most certainly, been expected of ALL 1st-century Jews, not just Levites.

    Secondly, I believe that you have fallen into a trap that many well-meaning Christians--both who share your opinions on this matter and those who are radically opposed to your thoughts on this matter--often fall. It's not so much of a trap as it is a "ditch"--"Lessing's ditch" to be precise. Lessing was an 18th century philosopher who posited that the particular events of history cannot become the reasonable basis for the faith of an individual. This pitting of FAITH against HISTORY is a modern myth, and the Christian Church ought to outright reject this. Christian claim precisely that God has acted IN HISTORY to redeem his people--in Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses and the Exodus, the giving of the Torah at Sinai, David, the prophets... and all of this leading up to Jesus and the pouring out of the Holy Spirit. It is precisely HISTORICAL EVENTS in PARTICULAR PLACES and CULTURES that we Christians confess as the basis for our salvation. See my blog posts "History and Faith" and "History and Inspiration" for more of my thoughts on this topic.

    Third, I am not sure if I am equipped or yet prepared to speak broadly on the relationship of the Christian conception of marriage to this whole debate. I will, however, make a few preliminary remarks. (1) As a married MAN, I would most likely disagree (though I would need to hear your ideas more thoroughly presented to know for sure) with the notion that "man" and "woman" are vague terms. The way cultures have variously identified "genders" are most certainly as varied as the sands of the shore, but I know of no culture that, despite this fact, fails to clearly distinguish between "men" and "women." (2) The Christian discussion of homo- and heterosexuality DOES need to go beyond the appraisal of texts that speak AGAINST sexual perversion to texts that speak TOWARD proper, God-ordained sexuality. The Bible--both Old and New Testaments--truly does have a beautiful conception of marriage, and I think that it does differ from some of our modern conceptions, even in the Church. Surely issues of polygamy in the Old Testament (which was, in many cases, a GRACIOUS act toward women who would have been, in those times, left destitute without a male to attach themselves) and divorce are rampant in the Bible, but at least JESUS' conception of marriage seems to stem from his perception of God's original intentions for Adam and Eve. (i.e. Matt. 19:4-6)

    Finally, thank you for your prayers for my wife. Her work is very difficult (though VERY needed) as I'm sure you can imagine.

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  11. Lastly, to Elizabeth, "Anonymous," and Nick:

    Thanks for your encouragement, y'all. I do not take important questions such as these lightly--and I grieve when so many others taking part in this debate (on both sides!) do take things lightly. This is not a matter of "Jesus thinks my being gay is OK," or "Jesus hates your being gay." This is the difficult, taxing, tear-inducing (and NECESSARY!) work of interpreting and trying to understand the will of God. Ultimately I turn to the scriptures--and the Christ that they reveal--to make these discernments, but we must look to the scriptures TOGETHER--IN COMMUNITY--if we are to get things right (see Acts 15, for instance). You have participated in that community with me, wrestling with the scriptures, and I covet that greatly.

    Again, thanks to all who have commented, and please follow up with other comments if you'd like. For now, though...I'm taking a break from blogging! :-)

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  12. Ian,

    You're very welcome. Maybe one day I'll find myself back in the Church of the Nazarene, and hopefully even if I don't, one of our schools will find me Wesleyan enough to hire me! We will see.

    Paul is my area of concentration, and will certainly be my area of research for my thesis, and I will be doing a term paper analyzing Paul's use of and redaction of Wisdom of Solomon in Romans 1:18-32 for one of my classes, and will spend a lot of time this summer analyzing the righteousness language in Romans in preparation for my thesis.

    I think you've got a point with the beginning of Romans 2, and I tend to agree, but the discussion in the rest of two about gentiles seems to mirror 1:18-32 too closely. Simon Gathercole's work on this is quite convincing. The question is can it work with a more inclusive reading of 1:18-32? I'll be trying to do the hard work to find out.

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  13. Ian,

    Thanks for the reply. Maybe I wasn't clear in my statements. I'm aware of Lessing's ditch and I do hold to the historicity of the resurrection of Jesus Christ. That to me is not an issue. Maybe a better place to begin would be the topic of circumcision and how it changed in the NT after the church realized it wasn't particularly central to what it meant to follow after Christ. As far as Leviticus is concerned, I think it's unethical to lift up 20:13 as a universal command throughout time and space without acknowledging the rest of the passage.

    Do you believe that Christians should kill those who curse their parents, communicate with spirits, commit adultery, or those who have sex with a woman while she is on her period? How can you lift up one sentence out of a complete thought and make that the universal decree instead of the other passages that aren't hot-button issues? It seems a bit inconsistent. Would you mind explaining why v. 13 is the universal and not the others? That would be very helpful for me at this point.

    As for your third point, I can only suggest that you take a Human Sexuality course, preferably not at Olivet. The research is not as clear cut as you might think.

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  14. To "An Olivet Alum":

    I believe that your understanding of how the issue of circumcision was dealt with in the early church is not well informed. Circumcision had been the sign of the covenant up until Christ; the church--most notably coming through the voice of Paul, but see also Acts 15--decided early on that, in light of the events of Jesus life, death and resurrection, FAITH was now the sign of the covenant, not circumcision.

    Such a process is simply NOT analogous to the way in which the sexual ethics of the Torah were dealt with by Jesus, Paul, and the early church.

    Also, I never--and would never--call Lev 20:13 "a universal command." That would be an appeal to the modern notion of "timeless truths" that I have explicitly rejected in this discussion and elsewhere (cf. for instance my most recent blog on the resurrection). I am not saying that Lev 20:13 is a "universal command"; rather, I am saying that it is much more historically plausible to say that Jesus and Paul--as 1st century Jews--would have acknowledged and affirmed this part of the Torah than to say they would have rejected it. From there, my argument is that if Jesus and Paul affirmed it, persons who want to bear the name "Christian" today must also take it seriously. I wonder, how do you account for the fact that your opinion on this matter does not plausibly match up with Jesus', as a first century Jew?

    Coming back to the issue of the analogy with circumcision, I find the argument you have presented here being used often, usually stated something like: "We no longer require the Old Testament marks of circumcision (or dietary restrictions, or whatever) in the Church; therefore we can also throw out the ethics (particularly here the sexual ethics) of the Old Testament." This is poor logic that is built upon several misunderstandings of the way the early church wrestled with these issues. The Church continues to affirm--just as Jesus and Paul did--the vast majority of the ethical demands of the Torah, despite having rejected the need for circumcision in order to enter the community of faith.

    Once again, the way the early church dealt with the issue of Gentile circumcision is NOT analogous to the way the early church dealt with issues of sexual ethics, including Lev 20:13.

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  15. Ian,

    I see you're dwelling rather strongly on N.T. Wright and, presumably, some E.P. Sanders in your understanding of circumcision and the Early Church vis-a-vis the understanding of circumcision in 1st Century Judaism. I would also guess you're drawing on the works of "Paul and Palestinian Judaism" as well as "Paul, the Law, and the Jewish People" with a lot of emphasis on Wright's "Climax of the Covenant", "Paul: In Fresh Perspective", and probably most notably, "Justification."

    I would suggest that this is doing a bit of "universalizing" across 1st Century Judaism which doesn't actually fit the localized data in Paul's letters. That is, judging by Paul's dealing with the topic of circumcision, Wright's thesis is an uncomfortable fit.

    I think that Simon Gathercole, Douglas Campbell, and Francis Watson have all more or less convincingly shown that this view of Circumcision and "Law" are rather unhelpful.

    I also think this is a helpful place to insert the "Faithfulness of Christ" discussion.

    Long story short, I'm really uncomfortable with this understanding of "signs" or "badges." I also think that if we read through Paul in a coherent fashion, it is not "faith" which has displaced circumcision - it is Baptism.

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  16. Ian,

    I would also want to add that if we take Incarnation and Kenosis seriously, particular the idea that Jesus was fully human and that therefore Apolinarianism is not a live option for us... Can we not begin to question some things in Jesus' thought which are there because he was a "1st Century Jew"?

    My concern with your argument re:Olivet Alum is that you seem to be raising up the culture and cultural idea in which Paul and Jesus existed. That is, because they were 1st Century Jews, they thought "X". But, since they are Jesus and Paul, we as Christians should agree and also think "X". Naturally the fact that you would not say we should follow 1st Century Judaism on any number of issues Paul and Jesus did not assures us that you are not making the leap to deifying 1st Century Judaism, but it comes dangerously close, imho.

    Are the limitations of 1st Century Judaism up for debate? If they are, to what extent can we engage that conversation in regards to Jesus and Paul? Do the Orthodox confessions of Christology not open that up in light of what we know aout cultural particularity?

    Just thinking aloud here.

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  17. Ben,

    While I think this discussion is pulling a bit far afield of where I intended this blog to go, I want to respond to you nonetheless because you are a helpful and challenging dialog partner.

    Actually, while I would love to get my hands on the books you've mentioned, I've read only the majority of "Justification" and none of the others you've listed, so I cannot claim to have been strongly influenced by them, nor do I simply read N.T. Wright and parrot everything that I've heard. Wright has, actually, only come across my radar in the past 18 months or so; I've been reading Paul for much longer than that.

    I would agree with you that Paul understands baptism to be the sign of the new covenant, but can baptism really been set over against faith? For Paul, at least, I think not. In short, I think we're both right there. I am unfamiliar, however, with the view of "circumcision and the Law" that Gathercole, Campbell, and Watson are responding to, as I am also unfamiliar with their responses. I am not convinced, however, that being up to date with the latest scholarship makes me that much more knowledgeable about Paul--no matter how beneficial this might be. (Bultmann was "the latest scholarship" on Jesus not too long ago, and now almost everyone rejects his basic theses.) Like I've admitted before, though, you have obviously read more Pauline scholarship than I.

    In response to the second half of your comment, I am afraid that you are taking what I have said further than I intended it. No doubt some of this is due to my faults as a communicator, but clearly my point (in both my blog and in my responses to those who have commented on this blog, including "Olivet Alum") is to argue that the sexual ethics of the Torah (including Lev 20:13) have not been relegated as unimportant or obsolete by either Jesus or Paul. In that case, I find it difficult to form a CHRISTIAN argument that we should do so. For heaven's sake, the very occasion of the writing of 1 Corinthians (not just 6:9) is--in large part--to chastise the church in Corinth because of their deviation from the sexual ethics Paul thinks appropriate for the family of God--namely, the kind of sexual ethics one finds in the Torah.

    Again, my point is not to argue anything more nor less than that neither Jesus nor Paul would be OK with a pro-homosexual agenda in the church.

    The limitations of 1st century Judaism are certainly up for debate; but that was precisely the debate Jesus and Paul were engaged in, and I want us to take our cues from them. Jesus' being a Jew was not--no matter how many Christians today may think it was--a "cultural particularity," though. Jesus' Jewishness is necessitated by the covenant God made with Abraham (Rom 3). Since God could not be faithless to this covenant, salvation for all nations had to come through the Jews; Jesus was the Jew through whom this salvation comes. (I know I am only making explicit things of which you are already well aware.) So, yes, I take Jesus' Jewishness very seriously, because it is not simply a cultural particularity, but is in fact central to his role as "Savior," "Lord," and "Christ."

    Again: My point with this blog is not to enter into a lengthy debate about Paul's understanding of the covenant, but again to state that neither Jesus nor Paul--as real, 1st century historical figures--would be OK with a pro-homosexual agenda present in the church. I stress their existence as "real, 1st century historical figures" not because I want to laud 1st century Judaism, but because so many people toss around these names--especially Jesus'--without any reference to the actual person of whom they speak. "Jesus" has become a cipher for "whatever-I-want-to-believe," and I think that real historical study is a way to combat this error. That is what I have tried to do in this blog and subsequent discussion.

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  18. Ian,

    Thanks for your reply. I certainly didn't intend to imply that not being up to speed on something makes one less able to talk about it. I only meant to state that I think their contributions on the subject are incredibly helpful. So I apologize if it came off the other way. Definitely not intended. Nor that I would ever think you'd simply "parrot" someone, even a fantastic scholar such as Wright. Only that it sounded very similar to what he's said, and I know you have said you like him and have found him to be a great scholar. Again, my apologies if it sounded like anything other.

    Re:Jesus as "cultural particularity" -

    I guess what I mean to say is that as important and central and crucial to Jesus' reality as "Lord", "Savior" etc, as "1st Century Jew" might mean, I guess I still mean to say that a 1st Century Jew - for all the good that might entail - is still limited to being a 1st Century Jew.

    So, if Torah reflects earlier, cultural sexual ethics, and Jesus is informed by that, he's limited by his historical context which we could never ask to be anything different. We can't (and shouldn't) wish that Jesus were a 21st Century North American with a lot more knowledge at his disposal. We should also affirm that it is incredibly important for our salvation that he was not!! However, I think it's still something that must be wrestled with.

    Can Torah be wrong? If it can, is it possible that 1st century Jews could be wrong about such a particular issue where they are informed by Torah? Is "wrong" even helpful here? That is, is it "wrong" for 1st century Jews to think homosexuality is sinful? I would never say such a thing. But... is it required that we follow such? Or is there another way for us?

    My forthcoming piece for glimmer glass attempts to, at a very basic level, say that the Scriptures themselves invite us into this possibility - that there is another way forward, and that the sexual ethics of 1st century Jews can - and should - be reinterpreted. And that this process necessitates questions and rethinking.

    So, as a historical student, I absolutely appreciate that you are pressing towards:

    "so many people toss around these names--especially Jesus'--without any reference to the actual person of whom they speak. "Jesus" has become a cipher for "whatever-I-want-to-believe," and I think that real historical study is a way to combat this error. That is what I have tried to do in this blog and subsequent discussion."

    I just feel that you've somewhat closed off the possibility that we could question Jesus and Paul on such a thing, by virtue of their historical context. This makes me a little uncomfortable. Which is why, like I said in my first post - I absolutely agree with your exegesis of the passages 100%. I just don't think that's the end of the story, and I can't follow those passages into a sexual ethic.

    I admire and appreciate what you're doing here. I'm not trying to change your mind as much as I'm trying to challenge you. Keep up the good work, friend.

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  19. Ben,

    I appreciate your gracious reply. All of what you've just said makes me wonder, however, what you think it means to be a "disciple" of Jesus? If that is, at least in part, what it means to be a "Christian," then how far can we challenge our Master, Jesus? And while Paul does not hold the pride of place Jesus does, he is certainly also someone whom we disciples of Jesus confess was uniquely used by God. How far can we challenge him? Are we really equal conversation partners with Jesus or Paul, or are we in fact disciples?

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  20. Ian,

    Thanks. I think your questions get to the heart of the issue, and the heart of why I think a "Biblical" view of homosexuality is so difficult to nail down, while I think a "Biblical approach" is much easier to find and struggle through.

    The Gospel is first and foremost, and the seed of the ethic prescribed by Jesus and Paul is "Love the Lord your God... and love your neighbor as yourself." In this, we are absolutely not equal dialogue partners with Jesus and Paul. In this, we recognize that they are absolutely right, and nothing we could say would ever change that. Our task as dialogue partners with them is to figure out what this means. Likewise, I think that if we truly challenge them, they can take it, and if we challenge them in the way opened up to us by Scriptures (and I would dare to say called of us by Scriptures) then we will find they were right most of the time (almost all).

    But we cannot deny that we know much more now than they did then. To do that would be to not be faithful to the task of wrestling with God who is revealed specifically in Jesus of Nazareth, and who also does not contradict what we know to be true about the world.

    Maybe I'm just a softy liberal who thinks that to not "love your neighbor" means only doing things that are actually physically, emotionally, or mentally harmful to them (or participating in anything which contributes to such). But at the same time, I don't think it takes being a softy liberal to ask:

    "In what way does [you name it] NOT love your neighbor?"

    I have personally come to the conclusion that I find no way in which homosexuality which abides by the same guidelines Christians expect out of heterosexuality can be said to not do so. I'm open to hearing it, but I've never heard it yet. Usually it directs back to the previous commandment "well, we are to love God and God says don't lie with another man." But then we must wrestle with why God has laws, why God commands things of us...

    This is not a conversation we could have over this forum. Hopefully I'm just showing that I agree that this takes a lot of discusion, a lot of thinking, and a whole, whole, whole lot of tears.

    At the end of the day I hope that I can say that I was a faithful disciple of Jesus Christ, who loved God and loved neighbor, and took seriously the call to look after the least of these, and when following Christ meant standing in opposition to the world, that I was willing to pick up my cross and follow him. At the same time, i hope that while saying all of this I can still be free to scratch my head and wonder if Jesus wasn't a little limited as a first century Jew.

    I don't know if that answers your question about discipleship and challenge. I also don't know if that adequately says we are not equal partners. I hope it does. I don't know. This has not been an easy road for me, not in the least.

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  21. (FIRST OF TWO-PART RESPONSE:)


    Ben,

    I am so grateful for the conversation we have running here. I needed this kind of insight and challenge right now, as I've been feeling a bit un-challenged and un-inspired lately.

    I think you have gotten to the heart of discipleship--Jesus' dual command of love for God and love for neighbor. I (and obviously Paul) would agree that this is the heart of what it means to be a Christian, and the litmus test for anything we might propose to believe or to act upon.

    Normally, within this particular debate, I hear gay persons arguing that non-gay Christians are not living up to this ethic when they ridicule, slander, and speak all kinds of evil against the gay community. "How is this loving your neighbor?" To this I reply that I am in full sympathy with the gay community; it is NOT love of neighbor.

    But you have made a different argument on the basis of this dual-command, a more reflective one.

    In perhaps a round-about, but precisely Pauline, way I am brought back to eschatology (something I recently posted on here at the blog). Again I am reminded of how--in a way I've never heard any pastor or commentator really discuss--inextricably the issues of human sexuality and eschatology are wrapped up in Paul's First Letter to the Corinthians, the epistle within which we hear the words: "...neither malakoi nor arsenokoites... will inherit the kingdom of God."

    I am reminded of ch.5, where Paul dives into one of his main concerns for the church: "It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that is not found even among pagans; for a man is living with his father's wife. And you are arrogant! Should you not rather have mourned, so that he who has done this would have been removed from among you?" (vv.1-2) I am reminded of a few verses later, when Paul writes that the man's removal from the community is for the purpose that "the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord." (v.5)

    I am again reminded of ch.6, with its warning that "Fornicators, idolaters, adulterers, malakoi, arsenokoites, thieves, the greedy, drunkards, revilers, robbers--none of these will inherit the kingdom of God." (v.10) And just a couple verses later: "The body, however, is not meant for sexual immorality but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body. By his power God raised the Lord from the dead, and he will raise us also." (v.13b-14--what a CLEAR link between sexuality and eschatology!)

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  22. Then in ch.7 we have Paul's personal concerns regarding marriage, among which we have "But because of cases of sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband." (v.2) Much of what Paul says in this chapter he says "in view of the present [eschatological] crisis" (v.26) and "because the present form of this world is passing away. (v.31)

    And all of this culminates in what?--Paul's magnificent exposition on the resurrection of the body in ch.15, of course!

    It is amazing to me how clearly human sexuality (among other topics) and eschatology are linked in 1 Corinthians. The logic of Paul seems to me to be "What you do with the body matters--especially the most intimate parts of your body used in sexuality--because Jesus' body matters, because the resurrection of the body is God's ultimate vision for us." As he says elsewhere, "Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, which you have from God, and that you are not your own? For you were bought with a price; therefore glorify God in your body." (6:19-20)

    I would love to hear your thoughts on this, but it seems to me that the very clear admonitions about human sexuality in this letter are hardly arbitrary for Paul; rather, they are inextricably linked to his understanding of God's ultimate purposes for us--bodily resurrection. We are admonished to conduct ourselves sexually out of reverence for God's presence within us, and in light of the fact that the body is central to God's purposes for us.

    For this reason--returning to the controversial 6:9 verse--I believe that when Paul says "[these] will not inherit the kingdom of God," he is not simply saying, "these are what I think are sins you should avoid, if you can." Rather, he is saying, "These are the kinds of ways you can live in the body that will NOT be a part of the age to come, that will not be able to 'inherit the kingdom of God.'"

    This brings me back to the point I've tried to make in my most recent blog: In discussing questions like "Is homosexuality permissible?" we ought to ask "the eschatological question": When God is done with us--when he has completed his purposes for us and welcomed us into his new creation--what will we look like? What of who we are will remain, and what will have to be left behind? I think that it is clear that Paul believes that ALL sexual immorality--including homosexuality--will have to be left behind. I agree with him.

    Finally, all of this returns us to the first part of the dual-command of Jesus: To love God with all that we are--including our bodies--means to live into the eschatological vision he has for all that we are--including our bodies. Sexual immorality simply cannot be a part of that vision, and while we may all of us struggle with it in this life, we must resist it, not embrace it, if we are to live faithfully into the eschatological vision God has for us.

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  23. You said...

    "I believe that your understanding of how the issue of circumcision was dealt with in the early church is not well informed. Circumcision had been the sign of the covenant up until Christ; the church--most notably coming through the voice of Paul, but see also Acts 15--decided early on that, in light of the events of Jesus life, death and resurrection, FAITH was now the sign of the covenant, not circumcision."

    I believe your understanding is not well informed. :-) Baptism is the sign of the new covenant. I believe my classes at Olivet and my research on the topic were quite clear on this issue. But, I'm not interested in a yes-no discussion with you.

    You say...

    "Also, I never--and would never--call Lev 20:13 "a universal command." That would be an appeal to the modern notion of "timeless truths" that I have explicitly rejected in this discussion and elsewhere (cf. for instance my most recent blog on the resurrection). I am not saying that Lev 20:13 is a "universal command"; rather, I am saying that it is much more historically plausible to say that Jesus and Paul--as 1st century Jews--would have acknowledged and affirmed this part of the Torah than to say they would have rejected it. From there, my argument is that if Jesus and Paul affirmed it, persons who want to bear the name "Christian" today must also take it seriously. I wonder, how do you account for the fact that your opinion on this matter does not plausibly match up with Jesus', as a first century Jew?"

    So you go from plausibility to certainty? How do the Gospels say Jesus treated adulterers or women on their periods? The answer would be, not according to the way Leviticus prescribes, correct? So no, I find your understanding of what is plausibile to be very limited given the narrative of Jesus in the Christian gospels. So really, your argument that is based on plausibility really doesn't have that solid of a foundation, in my opinion. If your accusation of me is that I might not think or behave like a first century Jew, I would shrug my shoulders and say something to the effect of, "Well, obviously yes."

    You say...

    "The Church continues to affirm--just as Jesus and Paul did--the vast majority of the ethical demands of the Torah, despite having rejected the need for circumcision in order to enter the community of faith."

    No, they don't. I thought my comments on Leviticus 20 as a whole would have demonstrated that. The Church disagrees on alot of things, I think it's unfair to say they agree on the majority of the ethical demands of the Torah when they do not.

    Again, not interested in a yes-no battle. If you don't want to debate, I'm willing to leave it here Ian. We're clearly not going to agree, and that is fine. Thanks for the conversation.

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  24. I guess I'm not a worthy conversation partner Ian. I'll let you and Benjamin Burch hammer it out. Thanks again for the conversation.

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  25. (THREE PART RESPONSE!)


    Ian,

    Funny you should ask this, as my task for the week was to exegete and analyze 1 Corinthians 15 without any sources. So I've read through the text of 1 Corinthians some 10x since Tuesday.

    My difficulty with the "eschatological question" is not that it is wrong, but how and to what extent do we apply it? So, what I mean is that Jesus is quite clear that there will be no sex (marriage) in the age to come (MK 12:25/parallels)! So are we to live into that reality now? Paul seems to wish it were so (1 Corinthians 7:7) but allows that this just isn't realistic. I take this to mean that Paul agrees with Jesus on this point. Neither see any need or room for sexual relations of any sort in the age to come. So when we talk about homosexuality not being how we will live in the end and therefore we should live into that now comes under some strain in light of this observation.

    On a further note, your point here: "I think that it is clear that Paul believes that ALL sexual immorality--including homosexuality--will have to be left behind. I agree with him." Is good and well-taken. I completely agree that ALL sexual immorality must be left behind. Amen! But is homosexuality (under the same expectations as hetero) actually immoral? In a way, your statement somewhat just assumes it is, based upon what you've said about Paul's argument throughout 1 Corinthians.

    Again, I don't disagree with your overall exegesis, or the point that Paul saw homosexuality as sinful. But I think we need to be honest about how Paul arrives at that decision. In my reading of 1 Corinthians, it is not hard to see the other sexual immoralities he mentions as being problematic - ESPECIALLY in light of the command to "love your neighbor as yourself." I think we can agree that sleeping with prostitutes and your father's wife would break this commandment! But... then we get homosexuality thrown in. How does that fit under the same rubric?

    The problem is that Paul begins with TWO commitments, not one. That is, he's committed to a sexual ethic he has largely inherited from Torah (the textual tradition of written Torah and the interpretive tradition of Oral Torah), as well as to a resurrection vision. Thus, Paul's argument ends up being as follows:

    (a) Sexual Immorality is defined by Torah and accepted tradition (made explicit by his word usage in 6:9 which you've aptly shown)
    (b) Sexual Immorality is unacceptable because it defiles the Body (simply assumed given (a)
    (c) We are a people of the resurrection, and therefore defiling the Body is unacceptable

    He begins with a particular sexual ethic and the resurrection, and works them out together - not one from the other.

    So I still take issue with homosexuality being included a priori in (a). Part of the problem is that although it would be impossible to discern to what extent Paul is dependent upon an interpretation of "natural revelation" his sources (Torah, Wisdom of Solomon, Proverbs) clearly are dependent upon natural revelation and Paul's indebtedness to such a tradition is made explicit in Romans 1:18-32 - and this is directly linked to homosexuality!

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  26. My feelings again would be that we cannot and should not fault Paul, as a 1st century Jewish male (I think male is significant here, for reasons which would take far too long to explain here), for thinking along these lines and accepting this tradition as he has inherited it. My contention would be that we know much better in regards to natural revelation now than they did then, and this should be brought into the equation!

    Paul simply had no way to know that:

    (a) we were not created as a primal perfect pair practicing heterosexuality
    (b) homosexuality is a natural orientation and not always a choice of ungodliness (Paul's assumption that it is a choice in each text is significant, here)
    (c) homosexuality is a natural part of the animal order, with some 1,500 species practicing it and the proportion being higher among mammals in general and primates in particular.

    My thought would be that we can work through 1 Corinthians and come up with a justification based upon "love your neighbor" as to why each thing is sinful accept for homosexuality. We would have to revert to "love God" in order to work that one out. I don't think this is a valid move because I think the Biblical corpus is clear that we "love God" rightly by:

    (1) Loving Others
    (2) Worshipping and speaking about God rightly

    I don't think any ethics which God prescribes can be understood outside of God's care for creation and humanity - justice. But we're continually forced to stress and strain this and throw homosexuality into another category because we know in our bones it doesn't qualify by these standards.

    I think that Paul's indebtedness to a Torah tradition which is dependent upon natural reality is more than clear. There is simply no way around this. It is exactly this which must be called into question in light of what the Bible tells us elsewhere about how to understand following after God and what is and is not "sin." I also think that Ephesians 5 begins to call into question OT thoughts on marriage in light of the Gospel. I just think that they had no information nor avenue which would allow them to begin to rethink homosexuality the same. Thus, it is assumed that it is wrong and sinful.

    I do, however, think that such information and avenues are available to us today.

    So I want to echoe your sentiment that ALL sexual immorality must be left behind, and that must begin today! I just do not think that the identification of homosexuality as immoral can be justified apart from a particular tradition of interpretation which is dependent upon faulty and primitive ideas about natural revelation.

    Hopefully one can see that I'm not trying to simply play a card of "enlightenment." I'm trying to take Paul seriously as a faithful Jewish Christian male in the 1st Century C.E. who did the very best he could given his historical situation. We should praise Paul for such an attempt, and strive to be as faithful in our own time.

    (JUST KIDDING! ONLY TWO PARTS!)

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  27. To "An Olivet Alum": Sorry, I just found that you second most recent comment got automatically sent to my SPAM box for some reason. Didn't even know that was possible. I apologize. It has now been posted. And yes, I do want to continue to respond to you (I did so less than 48 hours ago), I just have other things to do as well. I will get back to you as soon as I can.

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  28. Thank you Ian, and I was wrong to jump to conclusions. I apologize also.

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  29. To An Olivet Alum:

    I did not know at first if you wanted me to respond to your most recent post since you ended with "Thanks for the conversation." But in light of your recent comments, I'll try to offer the best response I can give:

    First, both you and Ben have pointed out well that baptism was understood to be the sign of the new covenant in the early church. I want to say that I agree, and that I did not mean to neglect baptism. I don't, however, think we should try to pit faith and baptism against one another as if they aren't integrally related, but again I would concur with the basic argument that baptism becomes the sign of the new covenant in the church.

    As for your question about whether or not I would expect Jesus to treat adulterous women the way the Torah had prescribed, I actually specifically addressed that very point and my understanding of how Jesus' handled the situation in my original blog post. I'll allow you to review that for my response.

    As for the final comment about the church retaining much of the ethical instruction of the Torah--I do not want to enter into a "yes-no battle" either. But since you did not provide any evidence for your assertion, and I have only provided a little (related to the topic of homosexuality) thus far for mine, let me cite some more evidence: (1) As I have already mentioned, the church continues to recognize the validity of the ethical commands of the Ten Commandments--honoring parents/elders, you shall not murder, commit adultery, steal, lie, or covet. (2) While the death penalty is no longer enforced (see my discussion in my original blog of Jesus in John 8 as the precedent for this change) the church continues to condemn: sorcery (Exod 22; Lev 19); beastiality (Exod 22; Lev 18); the abuse of orphans, widows, and foreigners (Exod 22; Lev 19); incest (Lev 18); sexual exploitation (Lev 19); prostitution (Lev 19), etc. Moreover, the church continues to promote: taking care of the poor (Exod 22; Lev 19) and the handicapped (Lev 19); maintaining justice in the courts (Exod 23); and honesty in business transactions (Lev 19), etc. Again, I am not saying that the majority of the Torah--which concerns cultic instructions and things like dietary codes--is still in effect for the Christian, but that the majority of the ETHICAL instructions of the Torah have continued to be affirmed by the church since its inception. I find this VERY difficult to deny, and am not sure how you would build a case to defend your assertion that this is not the case.

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